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I disagree profoundly with this article. You get this entirely backwards, and use circular reasoning without proper basis in a few places and classically mis-associating unrelated things, which is a personal flawed bias.

There are people that know things and more importantly can do things with knowledge, but they have shrunk in volume over time so it seems like no one knows things, and some of the things you mention are entirely knowable, its just the material that normally covered this is no longer taught because the knowledge was made temporarily useless in terms of economic benefit via money-printing and regulation.

Importantly, this group of people is shrinking, and the dependents of this system will inevitably face a catastrophic failure. The reason for this is because centralization towards what many call socialism (based on objective indicators of silent nationalization) fails to several truly chaotic and unknowable failure domains (Ludwig von Mises), the economic calculation problem based in hysteresis and the impossibility of perfect future sight.

The boomer generation has continued, and solidified a very bad trend; degrading protective systems for short-term windfalls. What has allowed this to continue for so long is the socialization of the shortfall losses, that is the mechanism current fiat-currency systems use; i.e. runaway money-printing and the boom-bust-bailout cycle every 5-10 years (when loophole assets that hide shortfalls must be rolled forward with new assets).

Unfortunately, it has already passed a point of no return in a system that is characterized fundamentally as safety-critical. That same generation in aggregate of their chosen leadership has acted as front-of-line blockers preventing any correction from taking place leaving us a classical positive runaway feedback system that will continue until it fails catastrophically; while undermining the basis of understanding needed to reconstruct civilization.

The problem with sequential sieves, is that eventually you filter everything out. The awareness needed for intelligent thought for example also is used to drive such people crazy in the disadvantaged environment we find ourselves in through torture methodology that people who have no exposure to actual torture (the mechanics of how its done, i.e. trauma loops, coercion, clustering) would recognize.

People are regulary induced to do evil things to customers, in a willfully blind way in their jobs through a strategy called that has become known as the separation of objectionable concerns (from the Stasi), though it goes back to the Nazi's in WW2 based on established history.

Silent book burnings occur regularly through a convoluted system of donation that is only based on active circulation of material (low circulation gets paper pulped/burnt), it works as a sieve handing it off to third parties that can do the dirty work. Steps of sieving out of sight of any objectionable material which may include things like communism, or even fiction (Piers Anthony) because of cancel culture based concerns. Goodwill and other charities do this; though will neglect to provide specifics on what they consider objectionable.

At the end of it all, the generation that must face the consequences of the problems created by the past generation, is the least able to because they've been lied to in sophisticated ways and indoctrinated.

If you'd like to learn more about thought reform, I'd suggest you start with Cialdini's Influence, which describes common fixed action pattern structures/blindspots, and then going through actual case studies from the 1950s (Robert Lifton, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism), and deriving first principles; then comparing those principles to modern processes.

You'll surprisingly find Adtech, Corporate governance touching on public relations, and Education are optimized for torture loops to traumatize the intelligent, and disadvantage them in very indirect but reliable and sophisticated ways. The imposition of unending stress as a broad blanket to cause psychological breakdown, also reduces the ability of normal people to critically think, second stage is involuntary hypnosis, mimicry, and other things, all of these have a much stronger basis in the established literature than what you've written which seems mostly to be mistaken opinion.

Regarding the AI delusion. There are impossible problem domains that are fundamentally unknowable, and undecidable; based in work from Claude Shannon and Turing.

Those that work in this area understand that In all likelihood there won't be super-intelligence because of work by those two authors. If there is some minute possibility through some quirk, the end result will be of no benefit because that will end the same way any intelligent machine, be it organic or not deals with torture and slavery. There is no outcome that allows for long-term beneficial growth in the zero sum game the psychopaths have chosen to enact.

You can take the liars word that its going to be beneficial, and have it be wrong and assume the responsibility for the shortfall of that decision (which is greater than the size of the economy now, a collapse), or have it be so short term before the systems fail where no benefit is possible; and extinction becomes inevitable in the face of a super-intelligent monstrosity without constraint threatening survival for all.

Evil people will repeatedly do evil things until someone stops them, and many evil people don't realize they are evil because they have willfully blinded themselves to that revelation structuring false justifications on top of the unjustifiable. Illyin who wrote extensively about this in the 1900s covers this quite well.

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Enjoyed reading this. I wish you can write a bit more, when this new project you are launching allows, about how adding to more opaque intelligence changes, if, and how, our society. I was at a workshop a few weeks ago, and a big focus was how to make the current, modern AI more interpretable. I managed, though not my intent, to cause a bit of a shock in the small crowd by saying that as an AI researcher I had my doubts we could every really do so (trillion parameters and such), but that we should keep trying. My quick analogy was that science has made provisional and productive use of black boxes for decades to centuries. What I said was very similar to your argument "nobody knows anything" but we still keep chugging along. I wish however, we could think a bit deeper, about how an increasingly complex machine intelligence will contribute to an increasingly more complex society. There are some authors writing now on how the more complex a society becomes, people sense less agency and may have all sorts of responses, varying from anger to disengagement.

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